tal9000:

1) how boringly predictable radfems are. Literally the only thing unpredictable about them is what posts they’ll decide to go off on. But the way they go off is pretty much perfectly predictable: accusations of violence (which is pretty much the socially-sanctioned way for us, as white women, to call for violence to be done), alongside degendering and basically every kind of verbal abuse possible in an attempt to provoke us, and seizing on and twisting any available words. There are a few variations (claiming to exist outside of gender, while utterly ridiculous (and in cartoon form), is a popular one). If you’ve seen it once, you’ve seen essentially every time.

2) how every time someone tries to predict that a thing will set trans women off, they get quite evenhanded replies. It happened here (friendly link). It happened to Ameliated; she claimed that we’d just scream at her for selling us out, and she got smacked down way more rudely by the people she was trying to sell us out to than by us.

I mean, compare that thread to this one (friendly link), or this thread spawned off from it (my link). In the first one, they sought out engagement with trans women (let’s be honest here, trans men are inconvenient to the rationalizations for their bigotry and nonbinary people have no place in their model of the world, so they don’t actually want to engage with either group), and closed with a (deliberately provocatory) note saying we would be unreasonable.

In the second, ehungerford showed up on an unrelated news article to spew cisfuckery. She specifically sought out an individual trans woman’s blog and reblogged that story from there (rather than from the OP, which is just copypasta from twitter), to take a position that nobody in the article it was about took or even wanted.

One side here has demonstrated that some of us can and are willing to hold a civil discussion. The other really hasn’t.

Forget civil, we’re the only ones who can hold a coherent conversation when it comes us and them.