eateroftrees:

genderbitch:

 eateroftrees 

Uh they never actually STOPPED trying to ‘fix’ neurodivergent people; it’s sort of the norm to have people try to lock you up and drug you and brainwash you until you either are superficially normal or too drugged up to be a nuisance anymore

Yeah. I know. I think H was talking more about mental illness (the sort of mental illness where it isn’t so much neurodiversity, like autism and actually people in shit tons of pain mentally)

Mental illness and neurodivergence can… um diverge (I really couldn’t think of a better word, this is not a pun) in terms of needs. There’s a lot of neurodivergent variations out there where all the pain folks are in is from society. Like Autism. And then there’s mental illness where a lot of cases have people in pain not cuz of society but in general.

Like depression.

In those cases there’s different needs involved but neither groups should be shat on and messed up. Needs just need to be met.

Of course, people haven’t really stopped fucking up the mentally ill either so your point still stands. It’s just more subtle now.

Well I wasn’t talking about autism, I was talking about BPD/bipolar and psychotic anxiety disorders.*  But thanks for assuming since I’m autistic all my neurodivergence is autism.  That was really helpful the first time I couldn’t get help because autistic people’s heads are treated like a giant Other box and everyone ignored my attempts to raise the point that there were a whole bunch of other symptoms, or they ignored them until I stopped functioning entirely.

…do you even know how that term “neurodivergence” is used?

(*unfortunately do to the aforementioned giant box of Other ideology I have absolutely no idea what this is—well not absolutely no, but certainly don’t know for sure—but it involved panic attacks about aliens destroying time and being convinced I was dying and having symptoms to match)

I used autism as the best example of a neurodivergence that completely diverges from the needs of disorders and mental illnesses that have real internal pain to them. Thanks for assuming that was about you.

And yes, thanks I’m pretty goddamn sure I know how the term neurodivergence is used. In fact, I have a problem with it being used in a way that erases the radically different needs between many major mental illnesses and forms of neurodivergence that aren’t mental illness. Which is kinda what I was fucking talking about in that response to your ask.

Because the needs of someone with depression (a pain based disorder and a mental illness) are very different from the needs of someone with ADD (a disorder that changes the way one interfaces with society and operates and a learning disability), as someone with both I recognize just how different my needs are to address both of them.

When they both get lumped into neurodivergence without a damn thought to the differences in the needs, we end up getting blanket statements that fuck over one or the other. Or both. Which I am fucking tired of.

I am also fucking tired of people telling me I don’t know what a fucking word means when I have a problem with the way its used and how that may cause erasure or confusion.